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Post by π―πππππ πΏππππππ on Nov 9, 2018 13:47:29 GMT -5
Banks should be reset simply due to the fact that if they were not the player base would still be living in the inflated economy before Taleworlds enacted their criteria. The players that think they deserve compensation and are unwilling to put in effort are the same ones that made the module into a graveyard in the first place by making it easier so that harder progression isn't necessary. In case anyone hasn't noticed grinding gives people a sense of accomplishment especially when that grind advances you above the rest which resetting banks would do. Personally, I think everyone should start with nothing so these Summer children can learn how to plow flax and make linen or cut trees with hatchets without a single drop of starting gold in their pockets.
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Post by Meli on Nov 9, 2018 13:49:47 GMT -5
I think it would have the exact opposite effect. Resetting banks would give everyone more of a reason to play because they would now have something to accomplish again. Starting out from day one with 10 million isn't fun and it doesn't facilitate interesting encounters as much because there is practically no more risk in anything.
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Post by nikkle on Nov 9, 2018 14:21:11 GMT -5
Clan funds are sort of retarded. They fuck the economy as much as donations, I vividly recall Melford doing banner calls for the sole purpose of buying everyone in the clan plate. In baratheon it was similar, with lords literally sitting next to the charger buy point, and just spamming F so every maa gets the best horse in the game. I remember back when seeing someone in plate was something exciting. Now itβs fairly normal to see 30 retards with chargers and plate raping anyone that takes 5 steps out their castle.
I also dont get why clans need the clan funds lol. Clans should be superior to pubs for the sole reason that they are organized and will work together, not because everytime one of their levies die some random highlord who was given 5 mill by clarky every week is now able to buy that guy a new set of whatever tincan they have available and then send them out. Clans get huge advantages over pubs now, not because they are able to outplay said pubs but because they get unlimited fucking weapons and armor and itβs whack. No one wants duckies extreme 0 bank policy and to turn pk into some rp shit hole but limiting banks and having a stable economy should be something we strive for. Clans already are, and will be the most effective fighting force on pk and funding them just makes them stupidly overpowered. If everyone had full banks then ppl would have to carry around like 500k or whatever, making winning battles even more important. What makes PK more fun then something like Gk siege is the stakes in the fights.
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Post by π―πππππ πΏππππππ on Nov 9, 2018 14:38:59 GMT -5
Look at your presumptuous claims on what no banks would do. I pity the fools that birthed you. All of you think that role play is not inside you but anyone who wears the title of a fictional name is already giving their will to it. Just because you limit something does not make it disappear. If the banks are reset and the cap is still one million then the problem of no rewarding as you put it would still be existent that is until the average player gold goes beyond that which in turn would be theoretically better and bring stakes back. But there are so many other alternatives to saving gold that are actually tangible and provide a stake which many would hold dear to. With no gold in a script all players would be in a world where survival and actual thinking and initiative because if they were to fail they would have to rebuild again. PW serves the seat of the powerful second chances are for the weak. At least you've come to your senses to see the problem but your solution will only alleviate it not rid us of it. One million is easily far too much to carry yourself with; if banks had to exist only a 100k limit would be necessary. Yes, the clan leaders would hold on to a lot but that's what the chest is for!
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Post by Aras on Nov 9, 2018 14:39:48 GMT -5
There are both pros and cons to clan funds. You took your time and briefly explained the cons. Now hear me out. Many players when clan funds didnt exist did not have the option to buy proper tincan while 2/3 of the server were showered in it. Reasons why we SHOULD have clan funds.
You have your regular people who log on for the event and log off afterwards. Well most of the people in PK are your average levys and dont wanna be on it for long. They just cant find time to serf and etc.
Im gonna mention @roy here. He has lead big clans like Normandy, blackfyre, and Baratheon. I am positive he has gotten over 30 ppl who desperately ask for money. When i was in templar i remember being broke af and going around asking for money. Since we didnt have clan funds in PW i was either ignoree or told to fuck off. I dont blame them...
Now what I ask is not much. BIG clans like Blackfyre and Dayne should get some sort of fund to begin with. ESPECIALLY if the banks are going to be reset. Almost as small as 2 mil? Something to gear up people with would really help. Of course this does not and should not apply for minor clans with 10-15 ppl.
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Post by Meli on Nov 9, 2018 14:48:14 GMT -5
There are both pros and cons to clan funds. You took your time and briefly explained the cons. Now hear me out. Many players when clan funds didnt exist did not have the option to buy proper tincan while 2/3 of the server were showered in it. Reasons why we SHOULD have clan funds. You have your regular people who log on for the event and log off afterwards. Well most of the people in PK are your average levys and dont wanna be on it for long. They just cant find time to serf and etc. Im gonna mention @roy here. He has lead big clans like Normandy, blackfyre, and Baratheon. I am positive he has gotten over 30 ppl who desperately ask for money. When i was in templar i remember being broke af and going around asking for money. Since we didnt have clan funds in PW i was either ignoree or told to fuck off. I dont blame them... Now what I ask is not much. BIG clans like Blackfyre and Dayne should get some sort of fund to begin with. ESPECIALLY if the banks are going to be reset. Almost as small as 2 mil? Something to gear up people with would really help. Of course this does not and should not apply for minor clans with 10-15 ppl. But clans have the advantage of being a big group of people all working together. If you need money, go serfing and have some clan mates guard you, or borrow money from other clan mates. Just because you have no money does not warrant the use of server provided welfare. If a clan leader is that concerned with his members now having the necessary funds/gear, it is up to him, not the server owner, to equip them.
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Post by Roy on Nov 9, 2018 15:02:25 GMT -5
Why can't we just ignore everything duckie says reset the banks and everybody just fucking starts out with 200k no clan funds or whatever bullshit case closed?
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Post by TheConfederate/Lars on Nov 9, 2018 15:26:41 GMT -5
There are both pros and cons to clan funds. You took your time and briefly explained the cons. Now hear me out. Many players when clan funds didnt exist did not have the option to buy proper tincan while 2/3 of the server were showered in it. Reasons why we SHOULD have clan funds. You have your regular people who log on for the event and log off afterwards. Well most of the people in PK are your average levys and dont wanna be on it for long. They just cant find time to serf and etc. Im gonna mention @roy here. He has lead big clans like Normandy, blackfyre, and Baratheon. I am positive he has gotten over 30 ppl who desperately ask for money. When i was in templar i remember being broke af and going around asking for money. Since we didnt have clan funds in PW i was either ignoree or told to fuck off. I dont blame them... Now what I ask is not much. BIG clans like Blackfyre and Dayne should get some sort of fund to begin with. ESPECIALLY if the banks are going to be reset. Almost as small as 2 mil? Something to gear up people with would really help. Of course this does not and should not apply for minor clans with 10-15 ppl.So, why not small clans? Why give one group of players an advantage over others? Your statement to leave out smaller, growing clans puts a damper on your position. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Post by Delicious Derek on Nov 9, 2018 15:39:52 GMT -5
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Post by Aras on Nov 9, 2018 15:51:00 GMT -5
There are both pros and cons to clan funds. You took your time and briefly explained the cons. Now hear me out. Many players when clan funds didnt exist did not have the option to buy proper tincan while 2/3 of the server were showered in it. Reasons why we SHOULD have clan funds. You have your regular people who log on for the event and log off afterwards. Well most of the people in PK are your average levys and dont wanna be on it for long. They just cant find time to serf and etc. Im gonna mention @roy here. He has lead big clans like Normandy, blackfyre, and Baratheon. I am positive he has gotten over 30 ppl who desperately ask for money. When i was in templar i remember being broke af and going around asking for money. Since we didnt have clan funds in PW i was either ignoree or told to fuck off. I dont blame them... Now what I ask is not much. BIG clans like Blackfyre and Dayne should get some sort of fund to begin with. ESPECIALLY if the banks are going to be reset. Almost as small as 2 mil? Something to gear up people with would really help. Of course this does not and should not apply for minor clans with 10-15 ppl.So, why not small clans? Why give one group of players an advantage over others? Your statement to leave out smaller, growing clans puts a damper on your position. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I feel like giving funds to small clans who will constantly be targetted is a waste. Eventually they will grow sick and disband. BUT if the admin team decide to come up with a ingenious system of funds where big clans get 2 mil every month or week, and the smaller clans with 10 ppl get 1 mil. Then I would approve.
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Post by Roy on Nov 9, 2018 16:24:42 GMT -5
I mean that has nothing to do with anything about what we are talking about. If you want to whine about smaller clans getting bullied and disbanding go and make your own thread but nobody is likely to do anything about it because Clarky has made it clear thats up to the clans to decide. And while we're on that topic, usually its the small clan's fault. It's sort of like when Germany was going to help Italy in Greece. They told Bulgaria and Yugoslavia they could either join the Axis or get invaded. Bulgaria opted to join. Yugoslavia opted to be invaded. Usually when getting bullied around by a big clan they can either become a vassal or something like that or get gooked, usually they choose getting gooked because they think oh somebody will come to help us but then they dont and get curb stomped. It's their fault entirely. Also idk if you just don't understand how spawning in gold works but its not like theres a limit to how much the admins can spawn in. It's not like oh no we gave that clan 500k and they disbanded ahh now we cant give it to this clan oh goddamnit we really fucked up didnt we its not like we have a database that can completely reverse what we just did, so idk what this "waste" you are talking about is. Again why? ? ? ? Blackfyre goes gold mining near every night which is around 1-2 mil depending on the map, not to mention the hundreds of thousands per day we are going to steal from your shitty clan when raiding throughout the day www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qfIYk3wIIY and again as other people have said the clans that have more people to utilize will make more money as they have more people working so they need less, so you would actually want to give the smaller clans more so that they can get off their feet. That's why we subsidize Detroit and not Orange County. But again why would anybody want to implement this it is literally retarded. First you want peoples banks wiped so that the economy can be more stabilized and make it more interesting but then you want to ruin that by then adding in the clan funds thing, make up your mind damnit. I mean I really don't give a flying fuck if the banks are reset or not either way is fine in my opinion but if you are going to do one of them then do it the whole way through not oh yeah lets reset them but then spawn in millions for people if you do that what the fuck is the purpose? ? ? ? ?
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Post by winkletwinkle on Nov 9, 2018 16:56:33 GMT -5
So, why not small clans? Why give one group of players an advantage over others? Your statement to leave out smaller, growing clans puts a damper on your position. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I feel like giving funds to small clans who will constantly be targetted is a waste. Eventually they will grow sick and disband. BUT if the admin team decide to come up with a ingenious system of funds where big clans get 2 mil every month or week, and the smaller clans with 10 ppl get 1 mil. Then I would approve. www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxcP7TRY178 welfare state no way jose
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Post by Matthew on Nov 9, 2018 17:21:07 GMT -5
I'd Say let Clarky and Midnight decide more then anything else, then arguing over the reset on banks or not.
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Post by Clarky on Nov 9, 2018 18:30:01 GMT -5
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Post by winkletwinkle on Nov 9, 2018 18:44:04 GMT -5
There are both pros and cons to clan funds. You took your time and briefly explained the cons. Now hear me out. Many players when clan funds didnt exist did not have the option to buy proper tincan while 2/3 of the server were showered in it. Reasons why we SHOULD have clan funds. You have your regular people who log on for the event and log off afterwards. Well most of the people in PK are your average levys and dont wanna be on it for long. They just cant find time to serf and etc. Im gonna mention @roy here. He has lead big clans like Normandy, blackfyre, and Baratheon. I am positive he has gotten over 30 ppl who desperately ask for money. When i was in templar i remember being broke af and going around asking for money. Since we didnt have clan funds in PW i was either ignoree or told to fuck off. I dont blame them... Now what I ask is not much. BIG clans like Blackfyre and Dayne should get some sort of fund to begin with. ESPECIALLY if the banks are going to be reset. Almost as small as 2 mil? Something to gear up people with would really help. Of course this does not and should not apply for minor clans with 10-15 ppl.So, why not small clans? Why give one group of players an advantage over others? Your statement to leave out smaller, growing clans puts a damper on your position. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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