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Post by rccedwards on Dec 9, 2018 5:27:52 GMT -5
I remember a time when if you got permanently banned the words actually meant what they meant. Now all it means is banned until appeal for the 1000th time only for that toxic player to be back doing the same old shit again. This change has turned countless decent players in the past to the status of just not giving a fuck myself included. When you report someone for something they do consistently and they just get a slap on the wrist and then you see them again in 2 days max usually after their timeout all it does is set the example that rules mean 2 things: jack and shit. And when people start catching onto that idea the community will eat itself alive in a matter of weeks, turning the players who intended to follow the rules on launch into the players that just dont give a flying fuck because everyone does it.
Set the standard high in the beginning or watch the same story that has unfolded countless times before destroy this community once again.
In short for anyone who isnt down with the clown on reading paragraphs: bans should carry more weight than they usually do in PW/PK servers being that some should be permanent removals from the community.
"Oh but everyone has a right to play" -Someoneinthecommentsbelow2k18
*REPOSTED TO CORRECT AREA OF FORUMS*
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Post by tavisthewhite on Dec 9, 2018 9:23:49 GMT -5
yo dude I got a whole ass coffee yesterday night and didn't even drink it
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Post by Quake on Dec 9, 2018 20:49:57 GMT -5
I agree 100% Permanent means Permanent. But were also dealing with a playerbase of 100-250 people. That's a huge range, but no promises and of course I'm estimating. We've banned people for Months and have given them time to get a possible appeal. And, we have turned down many appeals. Everyone is getting fresh slate again with the new server pop.. Will see how it goes. I don't give 2 shits if " Oh, but everyone has a right to play," You have the right to play, and we have the right to ban you for being stupid. Follow the rules and yeah, you have the right to do as ya want
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Post by tavisthewhite on Dec 9, 2018 21:16:55 GMT -5
yeah u get em quake
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Post by rccedwards on Dec 13, 2018 3:12:27 GMT -5
I agree 100% Permanent means Permanent. But were also dealing with a playerbase of 100-250 people. That's a huge range, but no promises and of course I'm estimating. We've banned people for Months and have given them time to get a possible appeal. And, we have turned down many appeals. Everyone is getting fresh slate again with the new server pop.. Will see how it goes. I don't give 2 shits if " Oh, but everyone has a right to play," You have the right to play, and we have the right to ban you for being stupid. Follow the rules and yeah, you have the right to do as ya want Thoughts on Midnight unbanning ragnar 3ish days after a mass rdm spree for a few hours then switching keys and proceeding to tell your admin team to go fuck themselves? He is quite literally the shining example of why this needs to actually be a thing rather than just accepting that he has "100 keys" and not making his bans permanent then unbanning accounts like duckie's saying oh well it wasnt him that used it. The logic makes no sense. I have a feeling midnight is just scared ragnar will ddos him as he has in the past. Hit my ip now I heard its fun
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Post by midnight on Dec 13, 2018 9:38:18 GMT -5
I agree 100% Permanent means Permanent. But were also dealing with a playerbase of 100-250 people. That's a huge range, but no promises and of course I'm estimating. We've banned people for Months and have given them time to get a possible appeal. And, we have turned down many appeals. Everyone is getting fresh slate again with the new server pop.. Will see how it goes. I don't give 2 shits if " Oh, but everyone has a right to play," You have the right to play, and we have the right to ban you for being stupid. Follow the rules and yeah, you have the right to do as ya want Thoughts on Midnight unbanning ragnar 3ish days after a mass rdm spree for a few hours then switching keys and proceeding to tell your admin team to go fuck themselves? He is quite literally the shining example of why this needs to actually be a thing rather than just accepting that he has "100 keys" and not making his bans permanent then unbanning accounts like duckie's saying oh well it wasnt him that used it. The logic makes no sense. I have a feeling midnight is just scared ragnar will ddos him as he has in the past. Hit my ip now I heard its fun I actually give 0 fucks if someone hits my IP or not. My ISP will just release and generate a new IP for me anyways if I'm offline for a certain amount of time due to malicious behavior. That and I have a VPN I can easily toggle on if needed. There was only one reason why we unbanned Raggy and that was mainly because everything that happened on the first day of the server was to be treated like it was null and void. Everything was reset, including bans. That's why I explicitly told Ragnar that if he fucks up again, I will make sure any admin who deals with him and I quote "shows no mercy". Nice try guy.
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Post by Meli on Dec 13, 2018 10:23:59 GMT -5
Why are we giving any "mercy" to someone who has already been on rdming again and ban evading alongside being a known ddoser? Edwards is right on the ball here, people like raggy should be perma banned as many times as it takes, you aren't going to stop raggy from being toxic by saing "Hey!! Don't do it again or we'll give you no mercy next time!!"
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Post by midnight on Dec 13, 2018 10:31:22 GMT -5
Why are we giving any "mercy" to someone who has already been on rdming again and ban evading alongside being a known ddoser? Edwards is right on the ball here, people like raggy should be perma banned as many times as it takes, you aren't going to stop raggy from being toxic by saing "Hey!! Don't do it again or we'll give you no mercy next time!!" It seems you missed what I said about the actions of the first day on the server being null and void due to the circumstances that surrounded the server's launch. If the first day of the server had gone on without a hitch and we didn't have log issues, admin whitelist issues, bank and database issues, etc, I would agree with you with one hundred percent and would've kept raggy banned, however, that wasn't the case. I spoke to Clarky over Steam regarding the events of the first day and we even BOTH agreed that things that happened on the first day would be wiped.
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Post by Meli on Dec 13, 2018 11:01:16 GMT -5
Except the problem is that raggy made an unban appeal, and it got accepted by you when you stated "don't fuck up again." Based on that, raggy was clearly simply forgiven and given yet another slap on the wrist for the type of shit he does all the time, and will continue to do because he never gets truly punished for it. Thread I'm referring to: infinityna.freeforums.net/thread/1257/unban-raggy-2k19
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Post by midnight on Dec 13, 2018 11:06:12 GMT -5
Except the problem is that raggy made an unban appeal, and it got accepted by you when you stated "don't fuck up again." Based on that, raggy was clearly simply forgiven and given yet another slap on the wrist for the type of shit he does all the time, and will continue to do because he never gets truly punished for it. Thread I'm referring to: infinityna.freeforums.net/thread/1257/unban-raggy-2k19Yes, an unban appeal for something he did on the first day of the server which as I stated before was agreed upon by myself and Clarky to null and void the events of the first day. You're still overlooking the point I'm making here. Yes you're right in the fact that raggy was simply forgiven because that is what was AGREED upon based on the complete wipe of the first day of the server. As I stated before, if that wipe had not been in effect, raggy wouldn't have been unbanned, period.
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Post by Meli on Dec 13, 2018 11:19:05 GMT -5
And what we're saying is that we're tired of people like raggy being given a slap on the wrist. I don't care if you and clarky agreed that it was null and void, it still doesn't void the fact that raggy is a huge rule breaker, and we're tired of seeing him and others like him never being given due punishment.
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Post by Roy on Dec 13, 2018 11:26:16 GMT -5
And what we're saying is that we're tired of people like raggy being given a slap on the wrist. I don't care if you and clarky agreed that it was null and void, it still doesn't void the fact that raggy is a huge rule breaker, and we're tired of seeing him and others like him never being given due punishment. Well Meli what you forget is that the 15 year olds like raggy who have booters can just ddos admins and the people who report them, they will message people for hours trying to get their ips because that's how desperate they are. Which is wrapped into the toxic and cancerous nature of PW. How do we fix that? Fuck if I know. I've been on the receiving and giving end of that, and there's not really much that can be done except everybody having a static ip...
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Post by midnight on Dec 13, 2018 11:28:27 GMT -5
And what we're saying is that we're tired of people like raggy being given a slap on the wrist. I don't care if you and clarky agreed that it was null and void, it still doesn't void the fact that raggy is a huge rule breaker, and we're tired of seeing him and others like him never being given due punishment. Well then he'll get his due next ban, won't he? If you have the attitude that you don't care about what the HA and the SO agreed upon, then I frankly don't care about your opinion on what raggy deserves or doesn't deserve. There's plenty of things I'm tired of as well, don't get me wrong and while I do agree that permanent bans should be permanent, this was a certain circumstance that bypassed what I personally think. Should/If/When raggy gets banned again, it will not be a light sentence once I am informed of it.
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Post by Meli on Dec 13, 2018 11:38:22 GMT -5
And what we're saying is that we're tired of people like raggy being given a slap on the wrist. I don't care if you and clarky agreed that it was null and void, it still doesn't void the fact that raggy is a huge rule breaker, and we're tired of seeing him and others like him never being given due punishment. Well Meli what you forget is that the 15 year olds like raggy who have booters can just ddos admins and the people who report them, they will message people for hours trying to get their ips because that's how desperate they are. Which is wrapped into the toxic and cancerous nature of PW. How do we fix that? Fuck if I know. I've been on the receiving and giving end of that, and there's not really much that can be done except everybody having a static ip... Just block them? Call the cops/your internet service provider? The solution is to stop being so afraid of people who can allegedly ddos, and start handing out harsh punishments to those who are nothing but tumors on the community. The staffs responsibility is not to work around those with booters by getting static ips, but to give proper punishment to those that clearly deserve it.
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Post by Meli on Dec 13, 2018 11:41:50 GMT -5
And what we're saying is that we're tired of people like raggy being given a slap on the wrist. I don't care if you and clarky agreed that it was null and void, it still doesn't void the fact that raggy is a huge rule breaker, and we're tired of seeing him and others like him never being given due punishment. Well then he'll get his due next ban, won't he? If you have the attitude that you don't care about what the HA and the SO agreed upon, then I frankly don't care about your opinion on what raggy deserves or doesn't deserve. There's plenty of things I'm tired of as well, don't get me wrong and while I do agree that permanent bans should be permanent, this was a certain circumstance that bypassed what I personally think. Should/If/When raggy gets banned again, it will not be a light sentence once I am informed of it. Except I've absolutely no reason to trust you or anyone in the staff will give him anything but a light punishment. I remember in the past people would make ban appeals for temp bans, and those would get accepted. And now you've once again let off someone who everybody knows to be a common rule breaker and who should have stayed perm banned.
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