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Post by midnight on Dec 13, 2018 11:46:09 GMT -5
Well then he'll get his due next ban, won't he? If you have the attitude that you don't care about what the HA and the SO agreed upon, then I frankly don't care about your opinion on what raggy deserves or doesn't deserve. There's plenty of things I'm tired of as well, don't get me wrong and while I do agree that permanent bans should be permanent, this was a certain circumstance that bypassed what I personally think. Should/If/When raggy gets banned again, it will not be a light sentence once I am informed of it. Except I've absolutely no reason to trust you or anyone in the staff will give him anything but a light punishment. I remember in the past people would make ban appeals for temp bans, and those would get accepted. And now you've once again let off someone who everybody knows to be a common rule breaker and who should have stayed perm banned. Cool. If you don't trust me or anyone in the staff, then you don't have to. People who are banned always have the right to appeal those bans and the way our administration team works, the admin that banned the user can decide if they accept or deny their ban appeal. SA+ typically get involved when the ban involves a permanent ban/ban till appeal/a clan leader. Most of the time heinous bans were lifted was because we had to keep "consistency" as Clarky would put it. I still recall the time I banned Jeff for interrupting and killing Tenton Pike in an admin sit. I wanted to keep him banned since he literally knew better than to do that. He even said on Teamspeak "too bad" or something to that effect when I asked him why he did it. Though he was unbanned because of "consistency".
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Post by Meli on Dec 13, 2018 12:26:27 GMT -5
Feigning indifference by responding with "cool" is a poor attempt to deflect what I'm saying, not to mention it makes you look like you don't give a shit what people think. I and many others are sick of how weak the staff are and have been in the past. It is a ridiculous policy that people who are supposedly perm banned get unbanned a few days later for some arbitrary reason like "well we decided that all is made null and void because the server was reset." To elaborate further on the unban appeal policy, you should never be allowed to make an appeal for a temp ban, otherwise all temp bans lose their purpose of making people wait out their time for whatever rule was broken. Perm bans should only be allowed an appeal after at minimum 3 months have gone by.
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Post by midnight on Dec 13, 2018 12:48:57 GMT -5
Feigning indifference by responding with "cool" is a poor attempt to deflect what I'm saying, not to mention it makes you look like you don't give a shit what people think. I and many others are sick of how weak the staff are and have been in the past. It is a ridiculous policy that people who are supposedly perm banned get unbanned a few days later for some arbitrary reason like "well we decided that all is made null and void because the server was reset." To elaborate further on the unban appeal policy, you should never be allowed to make an appeal for a temp ban, otherwise all temp bans lose their purpose of making people wait out their time for whatever rule was broken. Perm bans should only be allowed an appeal after at minimum 3 months have gone by. Never even attempted to deflect what you were saying in the slightest. If I was, I wouldn't have then responded to your point about not trusting the staff team. You're right to a degree about having people appeal temp bans being a bit counterproductive. However, a temp ban can be days and days on end. If someone is banned for a week, they should be allowed to appeal to AT LEAST shorten that depending on the severity of the ban. Obviously, if that person mass rdmed for 5 hours straight and got a month ban for it, they probably don't deserve to have it shortened at all, but I hope you see my point. Regardless of my point or not about temp bans, I will bring forth your concerns to the Administration team during our weekly meeting on Sunday and I will add it to the agenda in the Administration Meeting channel on the Teamspeak. I hope Clarky will also be in attendance so I can speak to him privately about this as well.
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Post by Meli on Dec 13, 2018 14:14:43 GMT -5
Feigning indifference by responding with "cool" is a poor attempt to deflect what I'm saying, not to mention it makes you look like you don't give a shit what people think. I and many others are sick of how weak the staff are and have been in the past. It is a ridiculous policy that people who are supposedly perm banned get unbanned a few days later for some arbitrary reason like "well we decided that all is made null and void because the server was reset." To elaborate further on the unban appeal policy, you should never be allowed to make an appeal for a temp ban, otherwise all temp bans lose their purpose of making people wait out their time for whatever rule was broken. Perm bans should only be allowed an appeal after at minimum 3 months have gone by. Never even attempted to deflect what you were saying in the slightest. If I was, I wouldn't have then responded to your point about not trusting the staff team. You're right to a degree about having people appeal temp bans being a bit counterproductive. However, a temp ban can be days and days on end. If someone is banned for a week, they should be allowed to appeal to AT LEAST shorten that depending on the severity of the ban. Obviously, if that person mass rdmed for 5 hours straight and got a month ban for it, they probably don't deserve to have it shortened at all, but I hope you see my point. Regardless of my point or not about temp bans, I will bring forth your concerns to the Administration team during our weekly meeting on Sunday and I will add it to the agenda in the Administration Meeting channel on the Teamspeak. I hope Clarky will also be in attendance so I can speak to him privately about this as well. It's frustrating to see people like raggy get unbanned because of some arbitrary reason like "the server got reset so it is all null and void now." Just because the server got reset does not mean that the rules were reset also, and it isn't just the fact that you lose gear when you get rdmed. It ruins other people's fun. And why should people be allowed to reduce their ban time with an appeal? That's an absolutely absurd proposition. The biggest issue with my idea would be unjustified bans, but people can make an admin complaint if they are ever unjustifiably banned. In essence, I'm tired of seeing how weak the admin team is, especially when dealing with people like raggy. Raggy should never have been unbanned, regardless of whether or not the server was reset.
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Post by noviix on Dec 13, 2018 14:39:46 GMT -5
In my experience, not so much in PW/PK or even M&B specifically but in general, this sort of thing always comes down to a case by case basis. I don't know raggy, I don't know any of the admins, but that shouldn't matter. Perm bans should be the absolute last resort for someone and not something handed out lightly ; yes Meli, according to your statement raggy is a common wrong do-er, however, if the admin team decides to give him one more go this early on and he's only fucked up when the server came up then that is their decision.
Perm bans should be permanent with a minimum allotted time to make an appeal, however, should the banned person be able to provide proof that he was unfairly treated or the ban wasn't valid then they can post an appeal before that.
Temp bans should require at least half of the ban to play out before they make an appeal, or as listed above, if they feel they have been unfairly treated and can prove it they can appeal with that reason from the jump.
Admins using a simple method such as this will be able to ban players and enforce it. Players will be able to make appeals without dodging the ban. And even in the rare case a player calls out an admin for a false ban, the admin team will be able to react to the appeal properly and it doesn't need to be complicated.
Being permanently banned from something absolutely sucks, whether you fucked up or not, raggy wouldn't play if he didn't find fun in the server. People should be able to make an attempt to play again unless they are repeat offenders. The admin team should have a spine but not enforce martial law because someone had a shitty day and now can't play on a server forever.
TL;DR - You can't ban people forever and just cut it at that, but you can't let people walk around and break the rules constantly. Just handle it case by case, but maybe put required sentences on any ban before appeals can be made. I've seen people get banned for BS before, I've been perm banned for BS before, it happens.
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Post by tavisthewhite on Dec 13, 2018 15:44:48 GMT -5
all i'm saying is we need to perma ban duckie again
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Post by rccedwards on Dec 13, 2018 18:22:48 GMT -5
Midnight it wasnt a nice try the fact that you unbanned him and he proceeded to be in a report the very next day on the forums while roy was reporting aldrik saying "you just messed with an rdmer who doesnt care" right before killing someone makes you look like a clown. He doesnt deserve a second chance he has been perm banned more times than you can imagine and im sure you personally have banned him at least 70 times.
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Post by midnight on Dec 13, 2018 20:53:55 GMT -5
Midnight it wasnt a nice try the fact that you unbanned him and he proceeded to be in a report the very next day on the forums while roy was reporting aldrik saying "you just messed with an rdmer who doesnt care" right before killing someone makes you look like a clown. He doesnt deserve a second chance he has been perm banned more times than you can imagine and im sure you personally have banned him at least 70 times. I wasn't "nice try guy" about your entire thesis. I was more saying it in regards to your statement about me being afraid of being ddosed.
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Post by midnight on Dec 16, 2018 21:36:03 GMT -5
As per the Admin Meeting on 12/16/18:
Temp bans cannot be appealed unless special circumstances.
Ban policy Perm minimum 1 month before you may appeal.
Thank you for the suggestions.
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