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Post by Yotz on Oct 26, 2018 18:20:40 GMT -5
Some do for sure. But as said, I personally don't really care either way so.
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Post by π―πππππ πΏππππππ on Oct 26, 2018 20:31:30 GMT -5
Look at your chattering imbeciles trying to look for solutions of problems you've created. PW has an infinite amount of resources, yes, however looking over the idea of the satisfaction and fulfillment of virtual material is grossly ignored. Assuming the fallacious notion that limiting the banks would only harm is mere ignorance. At this state, regardless of wait it will only last three months. It's truly an enigma to me how so many people think that PW hasn't already established a natural economy. They wish for relief from higher powers when it simply isn't necessary. You advocate for a system that allows players to throw away treasure and gain into an abstract script that no one else has access to. No one wants to grind, indeed! And you know why? Because no one is rewarded. The features that make many games alluring are there ability to make a user spend hours on development for mere moments of pleasure and reward. Because players can merely save their gold, which is the utmost important material in the module, it takes away the purpose of the grind and effort that the victor puts in. Yes, you still win the armor, the castle and the fame. However, as mentioned before and even supported by my very own adversaries gold runs PW, gold wins wars, and gold is the sense of completion of the player. This is why players like to gain gold far after they need it. The gold gives them a sense of accomplishment. Now, when you have limitations to your goals it makes them all the more satisfying to take them on. The ambition is still there from before mentioned possessions but those things are only given meaning by their struggle to attain them. Will PW eventually have people owning hundred of thousands regardless of their financial protection? Yes, however, just because something is common does not make it worthless especially when that thing influences the actions and ambition of the player. And with the effort it takes to gain gold, it will make players fill their own sense of purpose above other players by being able to easily reflect their effort through what they are capable of. For example, if no one could protect their gold then it would not be hard to see the rich, or hard workers, from the poor, or the "pleb". This would allow a self identity and stigma to your personal image come to life. Working only has meaning when gold is important, and nothing is important if it is safe. Yes YES, I KNOW! Wars are expensive, leaders carry millions, but take into the account of how much more it can be rather than the dogmatic narrow sliver of pleasure you so blindly receive. You would be rewarded in what I mentioned before and in gold, your god. Now, on the contrary, will PW be will sun shine and rainbows with a mere reduction or deduction of banks? Certainly not, for a long time many will loathe it but over time in acclimation many will see that the effort of progression makes even the smallest rewards seem like the most fulfilling thing they have ever experienced. Just keep in to account the more limitations the more the sensation.
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Post by Roy on Oct 27, 2018 2:06:07 GMT -5
Dude shut up role play scum nobody cares
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Post by TheConfederate/Lars on Oct 27, 2018 15:44:57 GMT -5
Banks stay. That is all.
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Post by π―πππππ πΏππππππ on Oct 27, 2018 17:06:36 GMT -5
Obviously you didn't read all of it. I don't wish to have them removed but would prefer them to be more limited.
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Post by Roy on Oct 27, 2018 17:53:59 GMT -5
Obviously you didn't read all of it. I don't wish to have them removed but would prefer them to be more limited. No obviously not because nobody cares what you prefer Again I make my point. People bitch about the economy being broken, but I ask two questions: Who cares and why does this matter? So long as the stocks are set at a reasonable level, 25 per item (of course more will be needed for more used items such as walmart horses and blunt weapons, as well as serfing tools), the clans will still be forced to stock as you can run through these like candy during a pleb war, let alone a full fledged siege. People still serf, sure they have full banks, but that doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. People want to enjoy their spoils and make it more of a persistent experience, being able to take the money they earned in battle and storing it for a later occasion. Limiting game mechanics for the sake of "the economy" is pretty foolish seeing as there is no real issue with the current economic system that we have enjoyed throughout my three and a half years in this community. Again I put it to you that wiping banks will only piss off players. It won't accomplish anything economy wise, as they will simply be able to refill them in a day or so and be self-sustaining from that so long as they are smart about selling gear. To play the devils advocate you could ask for periodic resets, but people aren't going to like that in the slightest and aren't going to want to play on a server that does this. The last time something this drastic was done to the economy was when Gedizz took out the banks, which turned Celestial into a case study about how to go from one of the best, most stable, effective, long lasting and populated servers into a ghost town that duckie and his 3 friends RP'd on for a week before it went down. How to kill a server 101 is to fuck with the economy, whether to wipe the banks or remove them entirely would be to effectively kill a server in its cradle. The eco isn't perfect, it's not as the PW devs intended, but its about as good as we're going to get at this point in the mod. Perhaps it will be different in the Bannerlord PW mod, but that's at least a year off so it's not even worth talking about atm. People are set in their ways and like their shekels and they will fight tooth and nail, ddosing other members of the community over a fucking carrot. Let alone bank resets. It'll be worse than the Climbing Boots Riots of '10. Again, a great way to lead a server on a dying mod is to intentionally and pointlessly piss people off for absolutely no reason or gain whatsoever. I have yet to hear a valid argument when I ask "Why" to the banks being reset. I'm sure Duckie presented something but I can't be bothered to read his incoherent roleplay drivel. You say "oh theres no other server going up so we can do what we want", have you ever considered the fact they could just go play another game/mod? Contrary to public belief PK is not, in fact, life.
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Post by π―πππππ πΏππππππ on Oct 27, 2018 20:17:15 GMT -5
Well at least you admitted to not reading everything I wrote and I can tell without that statement just by reading your counter. I think I delved a few sentences in about one or two about the economy and its irrelevance. My statement was the about how limitations make people appreciate progression more. Which is a solution to this forum topic. Before you start rambling about something you assumed I claimed how about you take the time to read it first.
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Post by Roy on Oct 28, 2018 5:09:55 GMT -5
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Post by π―πππππ πΏππππππ on Oct 28, 2018 10:11:46 GMT -5
Did I miss your point? Because I think you were trying to say that changing the economy is not the problem which I never said it was to begin with. Then you attempted to bring up Celestial despite the fact that Gedizz also removed gear saving and laid the changes on the community over night. Yes, Gedizz and I failed to realize that the acclimation would take much longer than we had hoped but that does not give you evidence that changing something permanently kills a server. If I remember correctly your whole motivation for your loathing of me comes from when you couldn't keep Royal NA together because the community was mixed between two servers. You tried to explain that my motivation is fixing the economy which my explanation is far from it. You've managed to dumb down the community enough to keep their eyes shielded from what makes games addicting and fun to play to begin with. I will give you time to read what I said so you can come up with something logical and not a childish attempt of being caustic.
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Post by Roy on Oct 28, 2018 10:57:38 GMT -5
no
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Post by π―πππππ πΏππππππ on Oct 28, 2018 15:04:08 GMT -5
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Post by hound on Oct 28, 2018 15:10:50 GMT -5
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Post by π―πππππ πΏππππππ on Oct 28, 2018 15:15:58 GMT -5
That is irrelevant and I have no idea what those are.
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Post by Roy on Oct 28, 2018 15:38:21 GMT -5
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Post by π―πππππ πΏππππππ on Oct 28, 2018 16:50:53 GMT -5
I'm glad you have something to assert yourself with, because if I wasn't then all your effort for attention would go in vain.
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