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Post by hedge on Dec 3, 2018 17:44:55 GMT -5
We are all in the same ts sooo. They are at the same level. All these insults are on the same level. I doubt you could understand your own argument with what you are saying. Take a deep breath before you go on the internet. And no there is no ban in local chat now. It is treated as an insult. You should know these rules you were an admin.... I said the ban was in Global you fucking autist. Learn to read before you come back at me kiddo, take a breath yourself chief. The point still stands. Take another 5-minute break to see what you are going to type then say it in a concise way please and thank you.
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Post by Pablo the Old on Dec 3, 2018 17:45:26 GMT -5
that moment when the autist bros have the exact same response just in different words, go away. also if you think "Dirty freaks" and "Mongoloids" are on the same level as "(word removed)" then you are some straight idjits. "we are losing the arguement" then bitch why is the rule in place and whatever you say isnt changing it you fucking ding dongs. You Lose. I Win. Good Day. According to you, if someone is offended in real life by a word is totally valid for it to have rules against it in a game so why aren't they on the same level? All words are okay. Now, this is the part of your post where you start to lose track of what you are trying to say, so you just say ."I don't want to actually debate the merits of the rule because It doesn't have any so I will just say that I win." I win. You Lose. Calm down. Take a breath. Take a drink of your apple juice.
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Post by hedge on Dec 3, 2018 17:45:29 GMT -5
Regardless of who told you it only adds to my point in which I correctly talk about the former bad rule. It's nice we had an admin that easily caves under peer pressure. Im still an admin and I'll ban whoever I see use it in global so be careful sonny I mean with you easily crack under pressure I guess so. You keep backtracking you don't say something insult someone and then ask like your a memer. You are losing an argument and you are trying to backtrack.
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Post by Pablo the Old on Dec 3, 2018 17:47:44 GMT -5
Im still an admin and I'll ban whoever I see use it in global so be careful sonny I mean with you easily crack under pressure I guess so. You keep backtracking you don't say something insult someone and then ask like your a memer. You are losing an argument and you are trying to backtrack. backtrack? I didnt see what you said so I replied to it. Calm Down kid and go sip your apple juice like I told your shitter brother to. You're the only one I see getting heated here. Im just chilling listening to music and typing random bullshit.
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Post by mrbeefy9 on Dec 3, 2018 17:49:43 GMT -5
I win. You Lose. Calm down. Take a breath. Take a drink of your apple juice. Ironic when you are the one who is so tilted that you pull rank. Personally, I like debating with people on topics that they are completely uninformed on as its amusing, that is the reason why I continue with you.
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hedge
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Post by hedge on Dec 3, 2018 17:50:26 GMT -5
I mean with you easily crack under pressure I guess so. You keep backtracking you don't say something insult someone and then ask like your a memer. You are losing an argument and you are trying to backtrack. backtrack? I didnt see what you said so I replied to it. Calm Down kid and go sip your apple juice like I told your shitter brother to. You're the only one I see getting heated here. Im just chilling listening to music and typing random bullshit. Well, keep listening to your music and watch what you say you are repeating yourself. Good job how a supposed "admin" could derail a conversation about a huge misconception of a rule.
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Post by Pablo the Old on Dec 3, 2018 17:51:53 GMT -5
so I win? K thanks bai!
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Post by hedge on Dec 3, 2018 17:56:31 GMT -5
The whole point of this was for each person to present their argument and to see what happens. You were supposed to leave a couple of comments ago so this is long over due.
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Post by grimsight on Dec 3, 2018 18:02:51 GMT -5
I don't care about any expletives, and I think most of us are guilty of dropping N bombs more than just occasionally.
But it's hilarious reading these sperg tantrums over not being able to say the word. You guys really fit the bill for your generic thick headed toxic and unwittingly racist gamers. RISE UP!
The server should disallow the use of the word, though enforce it cautiously. In the past I have admined 200 man Native and NW events for 4 years, I'm no stranger to the many problems of admining such things. The streisand effect is real when it comes to censoring speech over the internet and punishment must be done quietly. Here are the guidelines I would give the admins on this:
- Players should be muted and not banned - Admins must not ever publicly announce "No racism" in global chat - Admins must not antagonize or take the moral high ground when warning players - Admins must be a level headed "good cop" type figure when explaining the rule
In my experience, not following these guidelines inevitably leads to the following: An admin is too brazen and heavy handed, a player is banned, their friends cause a huge fuss, rule breaking and trolling is ramped up 10 fold until many more are banned. Resentment of the admin team festers.
For the record, I allow racism on Natives NA_Battlefield. I do this because it is much lower population and all the players know each other. This is not the case with PK. There are too many players, it CAN spiral out of control, and it CAN effect the games ability to be streamed and youtubed.
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Post by hedge on Dec 3, 2018 18:07:05 GMT -5
I don't care about any expletives, and I think most of us are guilty of dropping N bombs more than just occasionally. But it's hilarious reading these sperg tantrums over not being able to say the word. You guys really fit the bill for your generic thick headed toxic and unwittingly racist gamers. RISE UP! The server should disallow the use of the word, though enforce it cautiously. In the past I have admined 200 man Native and NW events for 4 years, I'm no stranger to the many problems of admining such things. The streisand effect is real when it comes to censoring speech over the internet and punishment must be done quietly. Here are the guidelines I would give the admins on this: - Players should be muted and not banned - Admins must not ever publicly announce "No racism" in global chat - Admins must not antagonize or take the moral high ground when warning players - Admins must be a level headed "good cop" type figure when explaining the rule In my experience, not following these guidelines inevitably leads to the following: An admin is too brazen and heavy handed, a player is banned, their friends cause a huge fuss, rule breaking and trolling is ramped up 10 fold until many more are banned. Resentment of the admin team festers. So instead of set in stone rules that are reasonable and allow people to speak their minds, you are going to allow the admins to put the sup to their own "discretion". 1-hour events are different from a 24/7 server in which people explain themselves. The creation of the censorship rule only made N**** spiked and it is treated as an insult like everything else.
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Post by grimsight on Dec 3, 2018 18:09:47 GMT -5
It is not at the admins discretion. It is: You see the N word in chat, and you mute them for the rest of the night. Quick and painless. If they ask to be unmuted, I would go ahead and do so. I think the goal as admin should not be to be an asshole, but help the players understand that there are some rules that you politely ask they follow without a fuss.
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Post by aldrik on Dec 3, 2018 18:10:24 GMT -5
I don't care about any expletives, and I think most of us are guilty of dropping N bombs more than just occasionally. But it's hilarious reading these sperg tantrums over not being able to say the word. You guys really fit the bill for your generic thick headed toxic and unwittingly racist gamers. RISE UP! The server should disallow the use of the word, though enforce it cautiously. In the past I have admined 200 man Native and NW events for 4 years, I'm no stranger to the many problems of admining such things. The streisand effect is real when it comes to censoring speech over the internet and punishment must be done quietly. Here are the guidelines I would give the admins on this: - Players should be muted and not banned - Admins must not ever publicly announce "No racism" in global chat - Admins must not antagonize or take the moral high ground when warning players - Admins must be a level headed "good cop" type figure when explaining the rule In my experience, not following these guidelines inevitably leads to the following: An admin is too brazen and heavy handed, a player is banned, their friends cause a huge fuss, rule breaking and trolling is ramped up 10 fold until many more are banned. Resentment of the admin team festers. For the record, I allow racism on natives NA_Battlefield. I do this because it is much lower population and all the players know each other. This is not the case with PK. There are too many players, it CAN spiral out of control, and it CAN effect the games ability to be streamed and youtubed. Nobody is streaming or youtubing PK NA besides the clans that are already set in stone on the server. Media for PW/PK has been dead for years, it's not coming back because of the perceived toxic community(Only saying perceived because half of the toxic players are people who are joking). And I agree with you if the admins are going to actually enforce this it shouldn't be a rule written in stone because that's going to draw more people to say it, more or less a just a societal no no among the server goers. But enforcing speech/text on an open server is going to be moronic nonetheless because MB CD keys are cheap as hell and nobody takes rules like these seriously anyways. Aras your opinion doesn't count, you have a GoT profile picture, shut the fuck up spic.
The racial slurs in global were not a suggestion from Quake, calm your tits and learn the facts. Thank you Confederate for inferring Quake, an admin who has banned me in the past for using racial slurs is not in fact the person who established the rule. I'm glad you can recognize jokes. If I truly believed Quake was behind the rule I would've called him out directly instead of saying "A certain GK member".
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Post by grimsight on Dec 3, 2018 18:15:09 GMT -5
It matters not whether content creators will come back. What matters is not letting this behavior take root in the community when it WILL be an issue in the future in larger Bannerlord mods.
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Post by nikkle on Dec 3, 2018 18:16:21 GMT -5
hedge you use strawman arguments all the time. you literally said "I'm sorry Meli/nikkle but the horde of people you suspected to see after banning the word isn't there." you also said "radical rightist trying to stop the libtards from taking over" which is the only argument meli and nikkle have." u covered alot of points and I cant address them rn cuz im in school but for now. The server rules I think are fair atm and this debate is stupid at the end of the day. gamer nikkle out!
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Post by aldrik on Dec 3, 2018 18:17:23 GMT -5
Then we can handle that when Bannerlord comes out Grimsight, currently it isn't an issue. Bannerlord will hopefully bring in large amounts of new players. I doubt any of them will even research the past servers and rules of PW when it is released on Bannerlord.
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