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Post by aldrik on Dec 1, 2018 16:23:14 GMT -5
I'm only including sections I have an issue with and not the full rule set because I'm not a doo doo face and I don't have time to pick apart the entirety of the rule set but I'd also like to better the community by removing rules that will ultimately hinder the community, despite them being a bunch of fucking (The big bad N).
1. RDMing (Random-Deathmatching)
You may not attack a player without a valid reason. Reason you may attack a player are, but not limited to, the following: - They have made a hostile gesture towards you. (I,e. Holding an attack at you *Screenshot required*)
- They are aiming/swinging at you (screenshot/video required)These two rules are counter productive at stopping RDM. I have used these rules to RDM as you can bullshit having screenshots/videos. Most of the time by either recording the entire time you play(If you're a fag.) or just screenshot the person from a distance feinting in the air to get a kill reason. Not only do admins have to wait for somebody to upload their screenshot but they may also have to wait for somebody to go frame by frame in their twelve hour long PK recording to get the one frame where somebody points their great sword at them for half a second. These rules are the literal definition of baiting kills. (Don't ban me. Please and thank you.) - They have kicked/punched/horse bumped you twice. This rule should be broken up or expanded. Somebody punching you should not be KR if they have armor or do not take damage from punching. If I were to write the rule I'd write it as "They have punched/kicked you resulting in damage or horse bumped you twice."4. Discrimination/Harassment/Impersonation This section does not need half of the rules it has in it.- You may not constantly follow and berate, halt or grief another player. The admin team should not be bullyhunters. If a group of people are going to grief another person/group of people, let it happen. The admins should only intervene when one of the parties breaks a rule in pursuit of fucking with the player/players.- You may not use racial slurs in global chat. This also shouldn't be a rule. And I have a sneaking suspicion a certain admin who's in GK has put forth this rule. The admins shouldn't waste their time trying to punish somebody for calling other players "(word removed)s, Wetbacks, Chinks, Gooks, Crackers, Streetshitters, Dog eaters(To name a few slurs)." This is the internet, people are going to say naughty bad words. Wasting the admins team time by punishing players who insult people in a way you don't like isn't going to beneficial because now an admin instead of dealing with the "Tinadel RDM Report" has to now deal with the "Tinadel called me a (word removed) Report"8. Theft/Robbery Rules
- Anyone may demand 100% of a player’s pouch and their horse. - ONLY outlaws may rob armor and items. A new rule should be added here, or expand on the outlaw rule. Players who have zero in their pouch and do not have a horse should be an exception to the outlaw rule. (Suggestion not a complaint with the rules)10. Faction/Player Names - Offensive sames, such as racial slurs, are prohibited from faction/player names.
Same applies here that applies with the discrimination rule.11. Administration - Bans involving racism should be a heavy fine, and then a temp ban if it persists. Wait a second, fines? I've heard of this sorta thing before.
I guess 800 gold a slur is a pretty good rule after all. Thats all I gotta say about the rule set. Please don't fine me for violations against the Communication Act of 2003 oh great Quake.
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Post by Meli on Dec 1, 2018 16:39:31 GMT -5
I'm only including sections I have an issue with and not the full rule set because I'm not a doo doo face and I don't have time to pick apart the entirety of the rule set but I'd also like to better the community by removing rules that will ultimately hinder the community, despite them being a bunch of fucking (The big bad N).
1. RDMing (Random-Deathmatching)
You may not attack a player without a valid reason. Reason you may attack a player are, but not limited to, the following: - They have made a hostile gesture towards you. (I,e. Holding an attack at you *Screenshot required*)
- They are aiming/swinging at you (screenshot/video required)These two rules are counter productive at stopping RDM. I have used these rules to RDM as you can bullshit having screenshots/videos. Most of the time by either recording the entire time you play(If you're a fag.) or just screenshot the person from a distance feinting in the air to get a kill reason. Not only do admins have to wait for somebody to upload their screenshot but they may also have to wait for somebody to go frame by frame in their twelve hour long PK recording to get the one frame where somebody points their great sword at them for half a second. These rules are the literal definition of baiting kills. (Don't ban me. Please and thank you.) - They have kicked/punched/horse bumped you twice. This rule should be broken up or expanded. Somebody punching you should not be KR if they have armor or do not take damage from punching. If I were to write the rule I'd write it as "They have punched/kicked you resulting in damage or horse bumped you twice."4. Discrimination/Harassment/Impersonation This section does not need half of the rules it has in it.- You may not constantly follow and berate, halt or grief another player. The admin team should not be bullyhunters. If a group of people are going to grief another person/group of people, let it happen. The admins should only intervene when one of the parties breaks a rule in pursuit of fucking with the player/players.- You may not use racial slurs in global chat. This also shouldn't be a rule. And I have a sneaking suspicion a certain admin who's in GK has put forth this rule. The admins shouldn't waste their time trying to punish somebody for calling other players "(word removed)s, Wetbacks, Chinks, Gooks, Crackers, Streetshitters, Dog eaters(To name a few slurs)." This is the internet, people are going to say naughty bad words. Wasting the admins team time by punishing players who insult people in a way you don't like isn't going to beneficial because now an admin instead of dealing with the "Tinadel RDM Report" has to now deal with the "Tinadel called me a (word removed) Report"8. Theft/Robbery Rules
- Anyone may demand 100% of a player’s pouch and their horse. - ONLY outlaws may rob armor and items. A new rule should be added here, or expand on the outlaw rule. Players who have zero in their pouch and do not have a horse should be an exception to the outlaw rule. (Suggestion not a complaint with the rules)10. Faction/Player Names - Offensive sames, such as racial slurs, are prohibited from faction/player names.
Same applies here that applies with the discrimination rule.11. Administration - Bans involving racism should be a heavy fine, and then a temp ban if it persists. Wait a second, fines? I've heard of this sorta thing before.
I guess 800 gold a slur is a pretty good rule after all. Thats all I gotta say about the rule set. Please don't fine me for violations against the Communication Act of 2003 oh great Quake. 1. Random Death Matching- Intentionally trying to get a kill reason like that is considered kill baiting, and if I'm not mistaken is against the rules. - If somebody uploads a screenshot/video of someone feinting 10 feet away from you, I'd hope an admin has the 3 brain cells it requires to realize that that doesn't grant you a kill reason. - Ironically, you call people fags who record the whole time, yet admit you have used bullshit screenshots just to be able to kill someone, which is on equal if not more levels of faggotry. 4. Discrimination/Harassment/Impersonation - I agree with the idea that admins shouldn't stop people from fucking with one another, with the exception being that you should not be able to halt the same person twice within a 10 minute timeframe. - The server/staff have a right to determine what they want people saying on their server. And before somebody says "muh free speech11!", if you walk into a restaurant and say the n word, the restaurant staff/owners have the right to ask you to leave. - Banning the n word also attracts more casual players and helps server pop. - Furthermore, Duckie brought up the point that it kinda makes shit talk more funny and interesting because now people have to come up with different words to use. - Final note, it was banned only in global chat the last time infinity was up, all other chats were fine. I see no reason to not keep that in place if it isn't already. 10. Faction/Player Names - See #4 11. Administration- See #4 - Yeah you're right, us not being able to say the n word and getting fined in-game currency is exactly like count dankula getting arrested and fined in real life for saying a joke. The libtards are taking over!!!!!
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Post by aldrik on Dec 1, 2018 16:50:35 GMT -5
I'm only including sections I have an issue with and not the full rule set because I'm not a doo doo face and I don't have time to pick apart the entirety of the rule set but I'd also like to better the community by removing rules that will ultimately hinder the community, despite them being a bunch of fucking (The big bad N).
1. RDMing (Random-Deathmatching)
You may not attack a player without a valid reason. Reason you may attack a player are, but not limited to, the following: - They have made a hostile gesture towards you. (I,e. Holding an attack at you *Screenshot required*)
- They are aiming/swinging at you (screenshot/video required)These two rules are counter productive at stopping RDM. I have used these rules to RDM as you can bullshit having screenshots/videos. Most of the time by either recording the entire time you play(If you're a fag.) or just screenshot the person from a distance feinting in the air to get a kill reason. Not only do admins have to wait for somebody to upload their screenshot but they may also have to wait for somebody to go frame by frame in their twelve hour long PK recording to get the one frame where somebody points their great sword at them for half a second. These rules are the literal definition of baiting kills. (Don't ban me. Please and thank you.) - They have kicked/punched/horse bumped you twice. This rule should be broken up or expanded. Somebody punching you should not be KR if they have armor or do not take damage from punching. If I were to write the rule I'd write it as "They have punched/kicked you resulting in damage or horse bumped you twice."4. Discrimination/Harassment/Impersonation This section does not need half of the rules it has in it.- You may not constantly follow and berate, halt or grief another player. The admin team should not be bullyhunters. If a group of people are going to grief another person/group of people, let it happen. The admins should only intervene when one of the parties breaks a rule in pursuit of fucking with the player/players.- You may not use racial slurs in global chat. This also shouldn't be a rule. And I have a sneaking suspicion a certain admin who's in GK has put forth this rule. The admins shouldn't waste their time trying to punish somebody for calling other players "(word removed)s, Wetbacks, Chinks, Gooks, Crackers, Streetshitters, Dog eaters(To name a few slurs)." This is the internet, people are going to say naughty bad words. Wasting the admins team time by punishing players who insult people in a way you don't like isn't going to beneficial because now an admin instead of dealing with the "Tinadel RDM Report" has to now deal with the "Tinadel called me a (word removed) Report"8. Theft/Robbery Rules
- Anyone may demand 100% of a player’s pouch and their horse. - ONLY outlaws may rob armor and items. A new rule should be added here, or expand on the outlaw rule. Players who have zero in their pouch and do not have a horse should be an exception to the outlaw rule. (Suggestion not a complaint with the rules)10. Faction/Player Names - Offensive sames, such as racial slurs, are prohibited from faction/player names.
Same applies here that applies with the discrimination rule.11. Administration - Bans involving racism should be a heavy fine, and then a temp ban if it persists. Wait a second, fines? I've heard of this sorta thing before.
I guess 800 gold a slur is a pretty good rule after all. Thats all I gotta say about the rule set. Please don't fine me for violations against the Communication Act of 2003 oh great Quake. 1. Random Death Matching- Intentionally trying to get a kill reason like that is considered kill baiting, and if I'm not mistaken is against the rules. - If somebody uploads a screenshot/video of someone feinting 10 feet away from you, I'd hope an admin has the 3 brain cells it requires to realize that that doesn't grant you a kill reason. - Ironically, you call people fags who record the whole time, yet admit you have used bullshit screenshots just to be able to kill someone, which is on equal if not more levels of faggotry. 4. Discrimination/Harassment/Impersonation - I agree with the idea that admins shouldn't stop people from fucking with one another, with the exception being that you should not be able to halt the same person twice within a 10 minute timeframe. - The server/staff have a right to determine what they want people saying on their server. And before somebody says "muh free speech11!", if you walk into a restaurant and say the n word, the restaurant staff/owners have the right to ask you to leave. - Banning the n word also attracts more casual players and helps server pop. - Furthermore, Duckie brought up the point that it kinda makes shit talk more funny and interesting because now people have to come up with different words to use. - Final note, it was banned only in global chat the last time infinity was up, all other chats were fine. I see no reason to not keep that in place if it isn't already. 10. Faction/Player Names - See #4 11. Administration- See #4 - Yeah you're right, us not being able to say the n word and getting fined in-game currency is exactly like count dankula getting arrested and fined in real life for saying a joke. The libtards are taking over!!!!! 1. The rule doesn't bring up distance of the person, it only says if they swing at you. That means its up to the admin on the final say of the rule. And I am fag, I abused a shitty rule that was added in because large clans needed an easier way to kill people randomly without halting them. The issue with the swing rule is that it is set up to be used for kill baiting. If I wanted I could just start swinging next to people and wait for them to screenshot me and attack me so I can kill them. It's essentially the same as me dropping gear and waiting for people to pick it up. 2. The rule doesn't ban the N word, It bans racial slurs but if you saw my post only the N word was removed, not other racial slurs. Nobody in the Mount and Blade community is going to get turned off by a fucking word. They'll get turned off by rules that allow for them to be killed for swinging near somebody. 3. The picture of Count Dankula was a joke, but you obviously took it in the wrong direction. Glad my point went over your head. The admins shouldn't be punishing or fining for using slurs. It doesn't do anything and it doesn't affect anybody. Me calling somebody a nigga in global doesn't RDM them or break NRR but the admins have to waste their time to punish a player by fining them or temp banning them because they used a bad word on a digital medium.
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Post by Roy on Dec 1, 2018 16:51:13 GMT -5
What Meli said.
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Post by Meli on Dec 1, 2018 16:59:00 GMT -5
1. Random Death Matching- Intentionally trying to get a kill reason like that is considered kill baiting, and if I'm not mistaken is against the rules. - If somebody uploads a screenshot/video of someone feinting 10 feet away from you, I'd hope an admin has the 3 brain cells it requires to realize that that doesn't grant you a kill reason. - Ironically, you call people fags who record the whole time, yet admit you have used bullshit screenshots just to be able to kill someone, which is on equal if not more levels of faggotry. 4. Discrimination/Harassment/Impersonation - I agree with the idea that admins shouldn't stop people from fucking with one another, with the exception being that you should not be able to halt the same person twice within a 10 minute timeframe. - The server/staff have a right to determine what they want people saying on their server. And before somebody says "muh free speech11!", if you walk into a restaurant and say the n word, the restaurant staff/owners have the right to ask you to leave. - Banning the n word also attracts more casual players and helps server pop. - Furthermore, Duckie brought up the point that it kinda makes shit talk more funny and interesting because now people have to come up with different words to use. - Final note, it was banned only in global chat the last time infinity was up, all other chats were fine. I see no reason to not keep that in place if it isn't already. 10. Faction/Player Names - See #4 11. Administration- See #4 - Yeah you're right, us not being able to say the n word and getting fined in-game currency is exactly like count dankula getting arrested and fined in real life for saying a joke. The libtards are taking over!!!!! 1. The rule doesn't bring up distance of the person, it only says if they swing at you. That means its up to the admin on the final say of the rule. And I am fag, I abused a shitty rule that was added in because large clans needed an easier way to kill people randomly without halting them. The issue with the swing rule is that it is set up to be used for kill baiting. If I wanted I could just start swinging next to people and wait for them to screenshot me and attack me so I can kill them. It's essentially the same as me dropping gear and waiting for people to pick it up. 2. The rule doesn't ban the N word, It bans racial slurs but if you saw my post only the N word was removed, not other racial slurs. Nobody in the Mount and Blade community is going to get turned off by a fucking word. They'll get turned off by rules that allow for them to be killed for swinging near somebody. 3. The picture of Count Dankula was a joke, but you obviously took it in the wrong direction. Glad my point went over your head. The admins shouldn't be punishing or fining for using slurs. It doesn't do anything and it doesn't affect anybody. Me calling somebody a nigga in global doesn't RDM them or break NRR but the admins have to waste their time to punish a player by fining them or temp banning them because they used a bad word on a digital medium. It also says this in the ruleset: " Common sense should be applied to all rules. The staff team reserve the right to issue punishments felt appropriate to any player(s) who fail to follow these rules. The right to interpret these rules as they see fit is held by the staff team members." To quote you: " or just screenshot the person from a distance feinting in the air to get a kill reason." Common sense would dictate that someone feinting at a distance does not grant you a kill reason. And there is no issue with the swing rule unless you're intentionally trying to kill bait by doing that, which is already against the rules. Casual players will be pushed away from the community because most people, in my opinion unjustifiably so, put the n word up on a pedestal above all other racial slurs. Even if you don't view it as a particularly bad word to use, casual players do. Hence if casual players see the n word being used, they will find the community to be very toxic and hostile and not want to play. I'd rather have a larger population of players than be able to call someone a (word removed).
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Post by aldrik on Dec 1, 2018 17:23:19 GMT -5
"Common sense would dictate that someone feinting at a distance does not grant you a kill reason."
It would but that's not how the rule was administrated. When the rule was first added that's how the rule played out. You could get KR if you screenshotted somebody feinting in the distance towards you, you got a kill reason on them. And I'd rather have the rule removed then have the same scenario play out as people will either get angry that 1. They can't kill people who are swinging at them because they are feinting. or 2. They are getting killed for feinting near or towards people despite that not having the same context as me swinging my sword somebody. Casuals who come onto our server are more likely to be forced out by this stupid rule then slurs directed their way. You have played PW/PK for long enough to know that most new players quit because they dislike being a serf, don't have a direction or know where to go in the game, or get halted or robbed/killed multiple times because they don't have a clue whats going on. What's more likely a serf swinging a stick next to somebody and that person killing them because it fits into the rules causing that serf to not play PK or that serf getting called a slur over global and then stop playing.
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Post by Meli on Dec 1, 2018 18:24:56 GMT -5
Can you give a specific example of the rule being administered like that? As I've said, common sense would dictate that taking a screenshot of somebody swinging at you at distance is obviously bogus, and if an admin can't figure that out, the issue lies with the admin, not the rule itself. And no, casual players are absolutely drawn away from the community by seeing people use the n word. Even if you don't put it on a pedestal, most people do, and they won't want to play in a community of people that they view as using extremely offensive slurs. If an admin could also clarify whether or not it can be used in all chats except global that would be appreciated. If that is the case, then a compromise is already in place and no changes to the rules need to be made.
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Post by nikkle on Dec 1, 2018 18:54:35 GMT -5
ur retarded if u think casual players are not pushed away by the toxicity, specifically the use of the N word. even fuckin pixelated apollo said he was turned away from the live NA PW servers and decided to host his own private events. Imagine if we had a youtuber with 500k subs start playing PW, itd be huge for the community and could have the population skyrocket. ( youtu.be/T81I3pv0oWc?t=66 you can see here him saying it for those who dont believe me.) contrary to what many might think but having the N word used in every second sentence is most definitely not a common thing and doesnt give off the impression as the community being a good place.
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Post by Matthew on Dec 1, 2018 19:06:10 GMT -5
I mean it would be nice to have a full server once in a while. 200 players on war server massive wars and sieges but sadly we ruined it with our toxicity.
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Post by aldrik on Dec 1, 2018 20:39:38 GMT -5
ur retarded if u think casual players are not pushed away by the toxicity, specifically the use of the N word. even fuckin pixelated apollo said he was turned away from the live NA PW servers and decided to host his own private events. Imagine if we had a youtuber with 500k subs start playing PW, itd be huge for the community and could have the population skyrocket. ( youtu.be/T81I3pv0oWc?t=66 you can see here him saying it for those who dont believe me.) contrary to what many might think but having the N word used in every second sentence is most definitely not a common thing and doesnt give off the impression as the community being a good place. Nikkle if you think the n word is the only thing that pushes people away from PK you might have the big dumb. I never said casual players arent pushed away from toxicity. But saying big bad words arent the things that push players away you doofus. PixelatedApollo doesnt play NA PW because he wouldn't be able to monetize his videos regardless. So yah it'd be great to have that boost in pop but it wouldn't last long because the environment even if we banned toxicity in global and local wouldn't be able to support it. I mean serfs can barely survive with 100 players max, imagine if we had a constant 200 players. Can you give a specific example of the rule being administered like that? As I've said, common sense would dictate that taking a screenshot of somebody swinging at you at distance is obviously bogus, and if an admin can't figure that out, the issue lies with the admin, not the rule itself. And no, casual players are absolutely drawn away from the community by seeing people use the n word. Even if you don't put it on a pedestal, most people do, and they won't want to play in a community of people that they view as using extremely offensive slurs. If an admin could also clarify whether or not it can be used in all chats except global that would be appreciated. If that is the case, then a compromise is already in place and no changes to the rules need to be made. I believe the issue of feinting was made in player complaints on Jeff and Me, I'd attempt to find those if they were in the archive but they've been deleted(I presume). And my opinion on that matter that slurs and toxicity will drive casuals away is dumb. A majority of the MB playerbase are people who stick to singleplayer and will maybe get on once in a blue moon for a native reddit event on multiplayer. So pandering to an audience by creating rules to attract them when they will never actually come on is idiotic.
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Post by Matthew on Dec 1, 2018 21:03:41 GMT -5
ur retarded if u think casual players are not pushed away by the toxicity, specifically the use of the N word. even fuckin pixelated apollo said he was turned away from the live NA PW servers and decided to host his own private events. Imagine if we had a youtuber with 500k subs start playing PW, itd be huge for the community and could have the population skyrocket. ( youtu.be/T81I3pv0oWc?t=66 you can see here him saying it for those who dont believe me.) contrary to what many might think but having the N word used in every second sentence is most definitely not a common thing and doesnt give off the impression as the community being a good place. Nikkle if you think the n word is the only thing that pushes people away from PK you might have the big dumb. I never said casual players arent pushed away from toxicity. But saying big bad words arent the things that push players away you doofus. PixelatedApollo doesnt play NA PW because he wouldn't be able to monetize his videos regardless. So yah it'd be great to have that boost in pop but it wouldn't last long because the environment even if we banned toxicity in global and local wouldn't be able to support it. I mean serfs can barely survive with 100 players max, imagine if we had a constant 200 players. Can you give a specific example of the rule being administered like that? As I've said, common sense would dictate that taking a screenshot of somebody swinging at you at distance is obviously bogus, and if an admin can't figure that out, the issue lies with the admin, not the rule itself. And no, casual players are absolutely drawn away from the community by seeing people use the n word. Even if you don't put it on a pedestal, most people do, and they won't want to play in a community of people that they view as using extremely offensive slurs. If an admin could also clarify whether or not it can be used in all chats except global that would be appreciated. If that is the case, then a compromise is already in place and no changes to the rules need to be made. I believe the issue of feinting was made in player complaints on Jeff and Me, I'd attempt to find those if they were in the archive but they've been deleted(I presume). And my opinion on that matter that slurs and toxicity will drive casuals away is dumb. A majority of the MB playerbase are people who stick to singleplayer and will maybe get on once in a blue moon for a native reddit event on multiplayer. So pandering to an audience by creating rules to attract them when they will never actually come on is idiotic. I’m only really addressing what you said to nikkle about serfs not surviving, it’s called join a clan and you’ll be protected or just serf for a clan and you’ll be protected. things can change when a constant 200 players playing. How do you think eu survives serfing with a constant 200 players your logic with that is stupid
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Post by aldrik on Dec 1, 2018 21:51:41 GMT -5
NA and EU PW/PK have always been different. NA is more about pubs then large clans but also on the EU serfs don't really survive either... Lannisters would literally massrob serfs all the time.
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Post by Matthew on Dec 1, 2018 22:03:49 GMT -5
NA and EU PW/PK have always been different. NA is more about pubs then large clans but also on the EU serfs don't really survive either... Lannisters would literally massrob serfs all the time. Again times have changed you can't base the fact of the lannisters as they don't exist anymore. And NA has changed more towards the eu aspect of things. I know you don't join clans or have any apart of that but you can't just state that NA is about pubs because the pub population at the moment doesn't exist
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Post by Roy on Dec 1, 2018 22:28:21 GMT -5
NA and EU PW/PK have always been different. NA is more about pubs then large clans www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkD9G7TKzHkThere hasn't been a viable pub faction since the VoG disbanded.
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Post by aldrik on Dec 1, 2018 22:54:40 GMT -5
NA and EU PW/PK have always been different. NA is more about pubs then large clans but also on the EU serfs don't really survive either... Lannisters would literally massrob serfs all the time. Again times have changed you can't base the fact of the lannisters as they don't exist anymore. And NA has changed more towards the eu aspect of things. I know you don't join clans or have any apart of that but you can't just state that NA is about pubs because the pub population at the moment doesn't exist Lannisters don't exist yes, but the tactics and playstyle they used is literally the basis for any EU clan nowadays. You can't act like clans just stop mass halting people because they don't have those tags anymore. Pushing those styles into NA clans will be detrimental to bringing pubs in. But that isn't my issue, my issue is that pushing rules that are made to bring a population in that will rage in the first few hours regardless of what rules are in place. NA and EU PW/PK have always been different. NA is more about pubs then large clans www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkD9G7TKzHkThere hasn't been a viable pub faction since the VoG disbanded.
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