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Post by rccedwards on Dec 3, 2018 0:49:29 GMT -5
aldrik I just agree with Derek in that many people avoid the community just based off the toxicity that free and unchecked racism breeds. It even shows itself in that factions have adopted the terminology of "gassing" another faction. I'm sure I can think of at least 10 commonly used phrases in game chat either across your screen in all caps via renaming faction or in the bottom left in small text that are all indirectly associated with racism. Hell, there have been plenty friends who ask me what the game I always played was and I told them not to come play because I was ashamed of how horrid the community allows itself to act. I'm sure if I look back at my screenshots of in-game content about half of the PW/PK associated ones will have some racial slur appear somewhere on the screen and that fact alone drives any sane person away from trying out the mod. (streamers/youtubers especially)
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Post by nikkle on Dec 3, 2018 1:46:55 GMT -5
Stfu u stupid libtard ! 😡😡😡 it is FREE SPEECH! DUH!!! It is my golden given right to call anyone I want the n word whenever I want!!! So u not live in America ?? Stupid liberals tryna take over the world!
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Post by aldrik on Dec 3, 2018 2:01:01 GMT -5
Stfu u stupid libtard ! 😡😡😡 it is FREE SPEECH! DUH!!! It is my golden given right to call anyone I want the n word whenever I want!!! So u not live in America ?? Stupid liberals tryna take over the world! Nikkle! Stop trolling my serious frickin discussion here you dumb troll
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Post by Matthew on Dec 3, 2018 2:39:26 GMT -5
Stfu u stupid libtard ! 😡😡😡 it is FREE SPEECH! DUH!!! It is my golden given right to call anyone I want the n word whenever I want!!! So u not live in America ?? Stupid liberals tryna take over the world! Nikkle! Stop trolling my serious frickin discussion here you dumb troll Ha i get it he is mimicking the templars when they went on a huge rant about banning the n word
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Post by Roy on Dec 3, 2018 2:45:26 GMT -5
All it really does is cause more people to be banned, and it can be used as a ban baiting tool. Your notion that PW/K’ s reputation can be changed is retarded. The tarnished rep of this mod can’t be fixed no matter how hard you try, perhaps this would be a good idea to start out with when the bannerlord mod comes out and we have an opportunity to do things right from the start, but trying to both convince the warvand community that PWs population base isn’t cancer, and trying to force the community to not be cancerous is unrealistic. I don’t have any facts to support it but I would theorize that more players will be banned and not be able to play than will come to the mod because 6 letters in a certain order being typed in T chat is disallowed.
As for the chocolatey individuals on the server, who gives a fuck. I call Sofo my n1gg3r every day and he knows it’s a joke because at the end of the day that’s exactly what PK is: a joke. More serious and insulting things are said on the server than n1gg3r. I have been insulted and harassed for many things, but seriously who gives a fuck it’s the fucking internet. Nobody actually cares about insults on the internet and, if they actually get offended and care about a gaggle of 15 year old freaks throwing racial slurs and booters around on a mod made in 2011, they’ve probably not got the skin to withstand the internet.
And the question needs to be asked: when does it stop? Are you going to start banning the word faggot because the gays are insulted? What about spic? Ratboy calls me a wop on the daily is it time for him to be banned? How about we give safe spaces to all the minorities so they can serf in peace. This is a game after all and while certain things like clogging and rdm warrant a ban, typing 6 letters doesn’t. If you want to go on your crusade when there’s a completely new game and mod I will be more than happy to support you in your attempts to keep toxicity levels down if I’m still around but it’s a fruitless and pointless endeavor at this point in the game. The way I see it is that it’s impossible at this point to change the communities mindset that NA PK is not a meme and a joke, and the drawbacks of banning the word outweigh the benefits.
Ultimately, the only reason I give a fuck about this and have a stake in it is because I don’t want to be in the middle of a huge war and randomly just get banned because I forgot that this is a rule and now the largest clan is without their leader because he subconsciously forgot that the spelling of 6 letters in global chat warrants a ban.
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Post by aldrik on Dec 3, 2018 3:03:07 GMT -5
All it really does is cause more people to be banned, and it can be used as a ban baiting tool. Your notion that PW/K’ s reputation can be changed is retarded. The tarnished rep of this mod can’t be fixed no matter how hard you try, perhaps this would be a good idea to start out with when the bannerlord mod comes out and we have an opportunity to do things right from the start, but trying to both convince the warvand community that PWs population base isn’t cancer, and trying to force the community to not be cancerous is unrealistic. I don’t have any facts to support it but I would theorize that more players will be banned and not be able to play than will come to the mod because 6 letters in a certain order being typed in T chat is disallowed. As for the chocolatey individuals on the server, who gives a fuck. I call Sofo my n1gg3r every day and he knows it’s a joke because at the end of the day that’s exactly what PK is: a joke. More serious and insulting things are said on the server than n1gg3r. I have been insulted and harassed for many things, but seriously who gives a fuck it’s the fucking internet. Nobody actually cares about insults on the internet and, if they actually get offended and care about a gaggle of 15 year old freaks throwing racial slurs and booters around on a mod made in 2011, they’ve probably not got the skin to withstand the internet. And the question needs to be asked: when does it stop? Are you going to start banning the word faggot because the gays are insulted? What about spic? Ratboy calls me a wop on the daily is it time for him to be banned? How about we give safe spaces to all the minorities so they can serf in peace. This is a game after all and while certain things like clogging and rdm warrant a ban, typing 6 letters doesn’t. If you want to go on your crusade when there’s a completely new game and mod I will be more than happy to support you in your attempts to keep toxicity levels down if I’m still around but it’s a fruitless and pointless endeavor at this point in the game. The way I see it is that it’s impossible at this point to change the communities mindset that NA PK is not a meme and a joke, and the drawbacks of banning the word outweigh the benefits. Ultimately, the only reason I give a fuck about this and have a stake in it is because I don’t want to be in the middle of a huge war and randomly just get banned because I forgot that this is a rule and now the largest clan is without their leader because he subconsciously forgot that the spelling of 6 letters in global chat warrants a ban. Besides for bragging about being the biggest faggot at the end, I agree with Roy. The reputation of this mod is already fucked. PixelatedApollo isn't going to change his mind because we stopped calling people porch monkeys. The EU PW/PK Youtubers arent gonna suddenly come on NA and say "Geez, to all my north american viewers it sure does look like North American PK has changed alot and has become less toxic because they decided that slurs are no longer allowed!". The reputation of PW/PK has been fucked since Avalon_NA. Nexus tried making it less toxic and you know cancer but they couldn't fix it because banning words doesn't work. Why do you think words like Nibba, Nigga, and the thousands of combinations that result in Nïgger(see I can literally get around the censoring by using a character that just adds a dot to the letter i which is hardly visible without inspection) exist. Heres a list of all the characters I can change to actually write the word : Nïgger Nîgger Nìgger NiggÉr NiggÊr I don't feel like changing anymore letters to ones with accents but you get the deal.
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Post by Roy on Dec 3, 2018 3:08:30 GMT -5
Well I meant that not so much as bragging as why should a large clan have to have their leader kicked from the server and be forced to change their strategy and adapt because he said a word in the global chat? I wouldn’t be as opposed if it was a fine, I’m still not a fan of that but at least it’s a compromise and people aren’t going to be kicked from the game. Again, this mod has been in a state of near death really ever since I started playing in 2015, can’t really attest to before that on servers like Avalon and Nexus since I spent collectively about 15 minutes on the both of them, but it has its occasional high points and its very low points, and in this roller coaster we are locked into you don’t want to be banning people over really what amounts toa Combination of letters In global. There are a thousand better reasons to ban somebody.
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Post by grimsight on Dec 3, 2018 4:13:33 GMT -5
Guy with SS avatar talks about how racism is NO BIG DEAL, and how he has many black friends who he calls (word removed)! More news at 11
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Post by Matthew on Dec 3, 2018 5:50:24 GMT -5
Guy with SS avatar talks about how racism is NO BIG DEAL, and how he has many black friends who he calls (word removed)! More news at 11 Watch YOUR TONGUE YOUR SPEAKING TO THE KING OF BLACKFYRE!!!!!
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Post by hedge on Dec 3, 2018 6:36:25 GMT -5
as much as i fucking hate to admit it after being one of the people most pissed off about the rules that limit speech, meli is right about the n word stuff. I honestly have not thought about how it could affect new people or youtubers coming to the server and potentially boosting pop. I like to say whatever i want and have others have the freedom to say whatever they want, but i also don't want this revival to end up like all the others, meaning it's just the same core old players who keep playing for a month or so while a few new players rotate out playing for 1-2 weeks before dying off due to boredom, irl stuff etc. When it's the same people over and over and over and they have been playing for a long time, it really starts to get old and stale because you already know, by and large, the gist of how every day will go. That's been my biggest gripe with NA PW/PK for the past multiple years, the predictability of every day of playing with the same maps, same players, same clans (even if they have different names, they still have the same players) and same layout of the day with 10-20 pop until 8:00 PM when it explodes to 150 for a big cancer war until 10:00 or so and everyone gets off. Basically, really long way of saying that while i disagree with the whole N word ban in a contextless void, when i look at it as it's harming the chances of new people, or as meli said, a big youtuber like pixelated apollo potentially making a video in the server and blowing up the playerbase. The problem with this entire argument is a simple fact being that the server tried banning the word. The problem with people constantly saying N***** was when it was banned. Most people would have rather said it because it was a banned word (which pw never did before) then say it when it was unbanned because it did not have any weight. There was no problem whatsoever with people saying it beforehand because no one really did say it beforehand. Furthermore, I love when we like to say something is a problem by coming up with a hypothetical situation that does not have any merit in happening but we consider it anyway. For example new people like pixelated apollo, people are acting like this is a new experience for him or the CTA community. The guy who made CTA try pw/pk before stopped doing it, they already had their server up, and they didn't like the current rule set and wanted a more constricted rp. It's not about "radical rightist trying to stop the libtards from taking over" which is the only argument meli and nikkle say but you are just giving power to a word that never had it in the first place. Who thought the best idea was in order to stop people from saying a word no one said on a daily basis was too out of nowhere ban it and say there will be "harsh repercussions". Furthermore, it isn't the word itself but it is the concept of banning a word. If you banned faggot I would still be having this discussion. You cant hold one word up to this pedigree because it has a history because guess what, all words have a history. As for pw/pk repeating itself, of course, it will do that if new people don't come to the mod. But are these people who played the mod for years really so naive to think that a word is a reason why. If we were going to get a new player base wouldn't we have gotten it when pk started to come out? If you want to change it up then change it up yourself. Contrary to popular belief mass censorship doesn't exactly entice people to play a server. Now there are some solutions to fixing this by maybe going to other mods and advertising. Maybe trying to figure out how to change up core gameplay than wasting time on pointless projects. Most of the problems with going over are that it is unstable and it will die within a month. Maybe clans shouldn't burn themselves out by doing an event every day and by choosing specific days. The point being there are other things to change. No new players and no new youtubers are not coming with banning N****. I'm sorry Meli/nikkle but the horde of people you suspected to see after banning the word isn't there. There are a lot of issues with PK/pw but banning specific words is not the option. I'm not saying everyone should go on pw/pk and say N*****. There are repercussions for saying that word or any other word as it is counted as an insult and you could be killed. But having these stupid rules that clarky set up is just mind boggling, to say the least. So, in conclusion, fix the gameplay and not blame it on some word and then use a hypothetical situation that doesn't work to back it up. TLDR: It's not a word but a continuing boring gameplay that killed the community.
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Post by Aras on Dec 3, 2018 7:53:48 GMT -5
Come on guys. The internet is not a place where you just shit talk people. This rule is here so you respect people like you respect people in real life. The person who people called King Kong because of some stupid freedom of speech is a marine and he does more good to this country than sitting here and calling people names on the internet. Have respect, be mature, and for christ sake dont say the n word?
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Post by Matthew on Dec 3, 2018 9:23:50 GMT -5
Come on guys. The internet is not a place where you just shit talk people. This rule is here so you respect people like you respect people in real life. The person who people called King Kong because of some stupid freedom of speech is a marine and he does more good to this country than sitting here and calling people names on the internet. Have respect, be mature, and for christ sake dont say the n word? No lol, the internet got its rep for being toxic and for not giving a fuck
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Post by Aras on Dec 3, 2018 9:53:06 GMT -5
Hate to break it to you but you will be punished for being racist.
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Post by aldrik on Dec 3, 2018 10:16:22 GMT -5
Hate to break it to you but you will be punished for being racist. Hate to break it to you, but people with GoT avatars are much like people with Anime avatars. Your opinion doesn't fucking matter.
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Post by pico on Dec 3, 2018 10:29:53 GMT -5
I mean, I just don’t understand how people can be offended by casual racism. I understand actual harrasment and targetting. But getting upset over an off handed word? I hear every iteration of racist joke for being Asian on the internet and real life constantly, while also being called every different kind of slur there is online, and I’m only half Korean and look more ambiguous than Asian. I think part of the underlying problem is how white people treat slurs against black people and get offended for them trying to be the higher moral authority. You hear no other racial group being upset over it and the majority of people do not even realize half of what they say to me should be considered incredibly offensive. The main issue with this rule stems from the fact that causal players are dominantly white, but also not hardcore retards like the normal crowd that plays PK. They see the n word and don’t want to be associated or seen with such “degeneracy” and leave, which is also why gook, chink, spic, wop, and many other slurs aren’t banned, because no one cares.
People joke about eating dogs and not being able to see and my skin being yellow all the time. But imagine if I went up to a black dude and asked him if he ate watermelon and chicken after he got done playing basketball, and asked him why I couldn’t see him in the evening? It’d be an uproar.
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